My next job is to try and get hold of my Dr, so I can get some written proof that she diagnosised me with The depression, and make a appointment, not as easy as it sounds, to actually get her I have to ring up between 08:30-09:00 each morning, later than that and I’ll get her Mum or secretary and neither of them speak English and just put the phone down me, alas I missed my chance this morning as I didn’t notice the time, in time to make the call, will have to try tomorrow.
Oh dear… so you are just visiting France at the moment (to all intents and purposes). I really do wonder if you might not be best served back in UK where you will have all sorts of “rights”… and, of course, no language problem.
Perhaps that is something to ask the Embassy… how to get back to UK… ???
How confident are you that you have a strong case for obtaining a residency permit? For instance have you been here for longer than 5 years? Have you submitted tax returns in the past?
I am just thinking that making a residency application at this late stage is going to be a hassle and once the application is in it will take some time before you get a decision. If the decision is likely to be unfavourable then it will simply mean more months of waiting and delay and more debts mounting up with no progress being made towards a constructive solution.
Oh dear, did you not apply fora residency permit in 2020? Quite frankly, without a job or income if you have been here since before then your only chance is to appeal to your préfecture for a late application. Info below. Do you have health cover and have you previously submitted tax returns (even if nothing to pay)?
So what do you do if you were living lawfully in France by 31 December 2020 but did not apply for the new residency status before the portal closed?
You should contact your local préfecture immediately and arrange to make your application.
Most préfectures have online contact forms or email addresses on their websites.
In some departments you may be able to visit your préfecture in person.
Ensure you explain that you were living in France by 31 December 2020 and that you are therefore covered by the WA – l’accord de retrait – and that you qualify for and need to apply for an Article 50 TUE Carte de Séjour in accordance with Article 18(1) Accord de Retait du Royaume-Uni de l’EU.
You will need to set out why you did not apply by the end of the grace period (30 June 2021)
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There is a French government website page giving brief information about what circumstances might be considered when reviewing a late application.
You can refer to our WA permit process pages to find out what information you will need to provide to show proof that you were lawfully living in France by 31 December 2020.
This is the Living in France document the consulate referred to, but not sure there’s much of any help yo you in it.
Also
FRANCE
Late application policy:
Since 1 January 2022, UK nationals who have not received their residence document can still reside legally in France and benefit from the rights attached to their status (residence, work, social rights) as long as they are able to present the certificate for the submission of their application for a residence permit online, or a receipt for the application for a residence permit issued by the prefecture within the framework of the WA
Article 18(1)(d) is reflected in the decree published on 19 November 2020, according to which “Where the deadline for submitting the application for a residence permit laid down in the preceding paragraphs is not respected, the respective foreign national may be allowed to submit the application within an additional reasonable period of time, if there are legitimate grounds for not meeting the original deadline.”.
The legitimate grounds that are taken into account when accepting applications submitted out-of-time could be linked to cases of force majeure, such as the current Covid-19 pandemic (inability to return to France due to illness or border closure), to health problems or professional obligations (travel or stay abroad for professional reasons).
Getting a certificate from your doctor to confirm a diagnosis of depression is good advice to get a late application considered but you would still need to meet the conditions
Rumour has it that prefectures are generally being quite flexible in their interpretation of the rules. So worth collecting together the proof of you having lived here for as long as possible and booking an appointment with your préfecture.
But he wants to sell up and go back to the UK, not stay here
So why not concentrate on advice which will help to that end?
Have you spoken to the tax people? If not do it now.
Talk to the assistante sociale via the mairie and see about immediate help (fonds de solidarité that sort of thing).
Talk to a number of estate agents, get a value for your house and once you have one talk to the bank about a loan.
Why not? I thought you want to go the UK, if so you don’t need to do all the tedious hoop-jumping to get a residence permit for France, surely.
Very few organisations outside big cities will provide fonds de solidarité to sans papiers - which seems to be what Rob is. If there is anything about previous years that is in order, then getting a permit could be relatively straightforward and mean at least he is not in danger of being given notice to quit.
if he has no funds to quit France, then on whom does the responsibility fall?
If the State were to pay for his repatriation… would they - indeed could they require he hands over the property to them to recover the costs (and settle the other outstanding debts)?
I think in fact what they do is register a charge against the property so that when it is sold, the notaire settles the outstanding debt out of the proceeds.
What concerns me is that the longer the debts go unpaid, the higher the penalties and interests will be. Every week that the tax office demand goes ignored brings Rob a week closer to the triggering of the tiers détenteur with all the expense and hassle that that will bring,
No I don’t think that is the case. You can voluntarily ask to be sent back to your country of origin if you are in an “irregular” situation. You go via OFIL
You are a veritable compendium of information! I wouldn’t know where to even start looking for all the information you’ve shared
Once a policy wonk, always a policy wonk!
Having looked at the website I was surprised to see how generous the offer of help actually is:
Composition of the aid
Return aid may include:
Administrative and material assistance to prepare the trip (booking of air tickets, assistance in obtaining travel documents, transport to the airport)
Freight charges
Financial aid, called lump sum, paid at the time of departure or in the country of return
Exceptionally, additional lump sum €150 if the foreigner has a travel document or is in charge of obtaining it
Allocation to facilitate reintegration in the country of return
Possibly, technical assistance and project monitoring
wouldn’t get that level of support in the UK - escape from plague island is often in the hold of a banana boat bound for the tropics chained to your passenger neighbour…
With both of you providing the muscle for the oars?
probably as the Home Office cant afford the marine diesel
Which web site is this, I don’t think I saw it mentioned?.
No I’ve lived here since 2011.