I think most of us on here strongly suspected it would never happen. Netayobo was never going to stop, he’s just dreaming up excuses to justify his appalling behaviour and I bet no one calls him out ![]()
Trump wants to go down in history as the greatest American President of all time.Does he ever read any history? I doubt it. Palestine has been the scene of religiously motivated warfare from at least the time of the crusades. Possibly longer. What would happen if all the synagogues, churches and mosques in the region were simultaneously destroyed ?
It would make little difference because human politics, a desire for revenge and greed operate independently of a building.
There’s fault and blame on both sides. Oh yes, show pictures of small injured children - but it’s happened on both sides. How about pictures of Israeli children; or Remember October 7 - and that massacre ? See pictures of a group of ‘suspected’ ‘Israelis’ spies or informers, kneeling before being shot in the head?
There’s fault and blame on both sides; and like all wars no-one ends up happy with the result. Propaganda, distressing pictures of injured children - sure - depends which ‘side’ one prefers to take. Atrocities on both sides - what about the Israeli hostages being released - and their horror stories. I bow to the highly intelligent, very superior intellects on here - what do I know - just that we’re all being manipulated……….. and I don’t understand the wholesale persecution of Jews - anywhere in the world. After WW2, and the Holocaust - to think that Jews in the UK no longer feel safe; to see the ostracism being shown in France to innocent Jewish children - I find frankly obscene, disgusting and beneath contempt.
Think I’d better go and sit on the naughty steps for 5 days again - I’ll be suspended again for being ‘forth-right’ and combative in my views………. but shouldn’t we be able to post views of very differing outlooks ?
It’s not the buildings themselves - it’s what they represent. If there was any chance it would stop religious wars and lead to tolerance I’d fully support. But religion has - and is - causing misery world-wide. One so-called religion worse than others; how many christian groups have blown up mosques or synagogues, or attacked peaceful social events recently ?
Me - I’d ban all religions…… think I’ll go and sit on the naughty step again.
I think Ancient’s point was that religion is just an excuse Concorde.
How can you have integration when the Orthodox Jews say they are God ‘s chosen people and we, obviously, are not?
Not at all. It took less than a day after Trump’s ego trip in the Knesset for the IDF cowards to murder more Palestine civilians, some reports say six, some seven.
For Israelis, with some notable and courageous civil rights activist and organisation exceptions - B’Tselem springs to mind - Palestinians are untermenschen. The average secular Israeli cares no more for Palestinians than the Nazis cared for the Jews. Their rightwing brethren see them, and the poor souls in the West Bank, as just impediments to the “greater Israel” god promised them.
That may or may be not the case in most of the World, It is certainly not the case in the Middle East, as some research would reveal.
So - that’s their outlook. How about another religion which thinks that those who are not followers of ‘their’ religion is lower than a dog, not worthy of consideration, and just exists to be taken advantage of - a religion that regards non-followers as the ‘kafir’ - isn’t that just as bad ?
I would call that religion capitalism, as it’s turning out
Of course it is, just that religion hasn’t recently slaughtered 18,400 children and orphaned and maimed many thousands of others. One shitty religion vs another shitty religion isn’t really a solution to the problem, is it?
Not exactly if (as I surmise) you are referring to Islam - Jews and Christians are Ahl al Kitāb, ‘people of the book’ ie respectable* people whose religion is based upon a common heritage rooted in the Pentateuch. The term kāfir pl kuffâr is reserved for idolaters and polytheists.
*People who must be respected that is.
Yes, we may be “people of the book’, but their extremists do not want to integrate and many of them actually wish us harm.
I think that goes for any religious extremists, they are actively malevolent towards anyone they see as not toeing their particular line, coreligionists or not.
That is why I was an attender at Cirencester Friends’ Meeting House.
The real danger is when extreme religious views combine with politics.
It was not that long ago Christians of Catholic and Protestant varietals were burning each other at stakes in UK.
It is always essential that we don’t disconnect politics from belief, and just are there are very strong human political reasons behind the fighting between Israel and Hamas/Gaza, so there was politics driving those horrors too.
Looks like another cease fire comes and goes.
Trump won’t care, as far as he’s concerned he and Jared have sorted that one out. Done the Middle East peace gig, now he’s busy sorting out China and Japan….
TBH I’m surprised it lasted this long before it was comprehensively abandoned. They want some bodies back, so they create more bodies that they don’t want, and the bodies they do want are probably buried and inaccessible because of their bombing.