My exoneration from the CFE actually mentioned that the minimum amount in our town, next year when it is due, would be 280€ - so that's two times for us. Fortunately I have done really well this year so next year will be a full time AE but i do feel for those who are just doing it as a top up or a start up.
Apparently so! And we have really high tax fonciere for a small town - approx 7000 residents. We have a house split into 2apts and the TF is 1600€ for us as proprietors and the Taxe d'hab is 700€ on each apt, yikes. I wouldn't mind but we only have 70m2 on each floor so it's not that big, no swimming pool or anything fancy - the town doesn't even have a creche!
Yeah, and the other, less bright, half wants to be a commercial... ;-)
Podcast in French about CFE with president of FEDAE http://www.widoobiz.com/emissions/auto-entrepreneur/auto-entrepreneurs-payerez-vous-la-cotisation-fonciere-des-entreprises/12277
If you would like to see non British expat moaning try looking at Andrew Hearne's link about the CFE. (next page of this discussion).
I don't think people moaning about moaners are making spiteful remarks but I do think that since we are in France we should try to understand the basis of the french system and not spend our time trying to compare it to the system of our home countries.
What bugs me about moans is that they often include the words 'the french' (albeit the french usually include the phrase 'en France' when talking about their system (LOL) whereas we would never say 'in Britain' - we say 'here') If you get my drift !!
Thanks for that. The commentaries on the link speak for themselves. I'm amazed that even my local comunité des communes still talk about the revenue they have lost from the TP being abolished but they don't say how lucky they are to have the CFE to refill their coffers !!
for an autoentrepreneur pays cfe based on the theoretical rental value of the property where the business is registered (between 200 and 2000 euros)
My CFE corresponded exactly to the amount I paid before in Taxe Professionelle as an SARL which I understood to be a taxe on capital investments in the company. On what basis does an autoentrepreneur pay CFE?
My pleasure Tracy, will you have to pay two lots of CFE???
Amen to that Steve, now we need to do something about CFE and get it to be a percentage of turnover.
Great news Wendy.
AE is a simple scheme, lets hope it stays that way.
That's fantastic Wendy, thanks for letting us know! Big smile from a household that has two AEs.
I'm sure your accountant does pay for herself, a good accountant is worth their weight in gold.
However, if you knew anything about the AE regime you would realise that AE's can not set anything against their costs, therefore the accountants role would be purely to check the accounts have been entered correctly. It would be another tax on the AE's, when the whole point of the regime was to simplify starting a business and to ensure that it was possible to run a business for more than 3 years without having to fold.
I'm not a British expat moaning about France either, I'm an immigrant worker who has been here over 20 years and has never lived in the UK as an adult, so can't really compare the 2 systems. I'm probably a typical AE too, salaried in a French company, who has been putting their toe in the water to see if I can make a go of being self employed. And do you know what, in May next year I am planning to give in my notice, give up my CDI (gulp, lets face it not many 'ex-pats' have those) and plunge into total self employment.
Please don't make assumptions you can't back up.
@Andrew - I think you've got the wrong end of the stick. no one's moaning about France we're moaning alongside all other French AEs about the proposed burden on AEs that wasn't there at the beginning! AE accounts are so simple that there is absolutely no need what so ever to use an accountant and as an AE you can't offset anything against your tax bill - that's how the system works! and for the record, my OH is French, my kids are French, I've been through french uni and now teach French to foreign students at Uni... not really your classic expat living in the expat bubble moaning about all things french thank you very much!
Oooh, I wasn't particularly moaning about France, after all it affects all Autoentrepeneurs French and English. My accounts are so short and simple that it really wouldn't be worth my while. If you only come on here to make spiteful remarks to other users, I respectfully suggest that you don't bother in the future.
We've had our accounts checked professionally for years: it costs less than people probably imagine and saves a lot of hassle. There's the added bonus that we receive lots of good advice about what we can use to offset personal income taxes, in fact over the years I'd say that Sylvie (our accountant) pays for herself.
I rarely use this forum any more because every time I come here it's full of British expats moaning about France and the French. If it's so much better in Britain why live here?
ouph! a large glass of wine called for ;-)
You will be delighted to hear that this motion has just been defeated in the Assmblée Nationale...time to do the happy dance!!!
exactly should and IS (in my case at least - who knows what other changes they'll bring in as everyone else has to pay it from day one!) exonerated from CFE for the first three years.
Just to add that an auto entrepreneur should be exept from CFE for the first three years of business.