Referendum(s)

I just heard Nigel Farage on TV explaining that a no-deal Brexit will mean cheaper food, cheaper shoes and cheaper underpants! Why weren’t we told this sooner? All the stupid fuss and blether would have been completely unnecessary!

I’m onside for a hard Brexit toot de sweet, bring it on. Comfy new drawers and a pair of shiny winkle-pickers have made the sun shine again after two wasted years. Pull up the drawbridge now! Let the street parties begin! Rule Britannia! :muscle::dancer::uk:

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No it will just mean that everything is crapper as we are forced to lower our standards in a desperate attempt to keep anything  flowing across our borders post Brexit.

Don’t get me wrong - trade won’t stop because of Brexit and we do about half our trade outside Europe. But the half that we do with Europe will get harder, more expensive and more bureaucratic , the £ may well be worth less than it is today and all most people will be able to afford is the really cheap dross end of what is exported to us.

this won’t bother the likes of JRM, of course, he is sufficiently wealthy that none of this will bother him personally but if you are one of the many families who “just get by” at the moment expect to not get by after we leave.

PS: I realise that your post was tongue-in-cheek :slight_smile:

"_PS: I realise that your post was tongue-in-cheek :)" _

Thanks Paul, don’t know where else to put it sometimes, and my brain keeps rejecting its “Let me in!” appeals :grinning:

But this “cheap food, shoes and knickers” mantra has been mouthed so many times by a number of prominent Brexiteers including IDS and BoJo they must think people are twits.

Of course, the housing famine will be solved if people can be reminded of the Great British Tradition of living in a shoe, like the Old Lady Who Had So Many Children She Didn’t Know What To Do (like the Maybot?) :thinking:c

The bill (a private member’s bill supported by HMG I think) has had its second reading and just today, there was a debate in the House about an amendment to the Finance Bill to provide sufficient funding to cover the additional expense to Local Authorities (a legal requirement).
Like most things UK legislative wise, there seems to be a rather large sledge hammer being wielded to crack a relatively small nut.
Surely the simplest way, like the French and so many other democracies, is for expats to register on a central register funded from the centre and elect an MP(s) with special knowledge and understanding of the issues facing ex patriots.

Here’s a link to the progress of the Bill

https://services.parliament.uk/Bills/2017-19/overseaselectors.html

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I thought BoJo was dead against knickers (they just get in the way) and prefers his wimin bare foot and pregnant :rofl:

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Thanks for that posting Mandy

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So much more sense.
They still continue to tell us that we retain links to our last constituency.
Utter rot in our case.

More happening tomorrow.

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She has no children, it is JRM who has six!

I believe that if you have been a permanent resident in another country for more than 2 years you should not be allowed to vote in any local or national elections with the exception that you are a cival servant or serving in the armed forces. For what ever reason people have choosen to emigrate so you are no longer part of the fabric of the UK. If not 2 years how long? Just because you might hold a UK passport does not and should not give you the right to vote.

Unfortunately there are many circumstances where you still have an interest in (for example) who forms a government in the UK - especially if you are in receipt of a UK pension or S1 asnd that self-interest does not stop at 2 years - or 15 years for that matter.

Where else would your vote be (notionally) registered?

Unless they came up with an ex-pat “constituency” with its own MP (actually that doesn’t sound a bad idea).

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For all French people wherever they live in the world and for however long, they always have the right to vote in general elections in France. It’s part of their constitution it’s a shame that we don’t have the same rights !

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Erm…what about if you care about how govt policy affects family / friends / elderly parents? What about if you might, just might, want to return one day and NOT end up is some dystopian scenario where you need to hand over a credit card before you are triaged after a car crash?
I could go on but quite frankly I have got better things to do than respond to such a ridiculous (in my humble opinion :slight_smile: ) perspective.

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Sorry, i thought my view was actually well balanced and sensible. You have emigrated there has to be a point that you should no longer be able to vote in the UK.

Well, I was aware of that Jane, I was thinking more allegorically, perhaps (as one occasionally does), of her cabinet being the children who are driving her to distraction :grinning:

Why do you think “there has to be a point that (sic)…?”

Perhaps your argument is that people no longer care? Or perhaps that they are not fully conversant with the issues involved and thus don’t ‘deserve’ a vote?

Why the exception for ‘cival’ (sic) servants and the armed forces? Are their votes somehow more meaningful?

And what about people who haven’t ‘chosen’ to emigrate but have for whatever reason, found themselves abroad? Do they get a vote?!

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I can see your reasoning but my point is that if you remain a British citizen and are affected by the outcome of an election - which typically is true even though you live abroad - then you should be able to vote in said election.

So the answer to your question would seem to be “when you renounce British citizenship”.

Of course you can exercise your democratic right to not give a fig but I think the principal that you should have that democratic right is important.

I see that @cat has proffered some scenarios where you might have an interest in the outcome beyond pension and S1.

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Torre, there are likely to be many reasons why people emigrate abroad. Not all of them, or any of them, will be because they have no allegiance to, or interests in, UK.

It surprises me that you, a reasonable and balanced chap, should seem to assume otherwise. I have a historic and continuing interest in Britain which I exercise through my membership of the Labour Party’s International branch. So do many others. We have many socialist friends here in France.

Some of us think internationally, across borders: it’s a worldwide tendency. We invite you fraternally to join us! :grinning:

I just don’t think you should have an unlimited time scale of a right to vote. If you are a civil servant or with the armed forces you will be abroad for long periods and you might not of chosen to necessarily go. I am sure you do care but you have chosen to emigrate. Like i have said in another thread, my family emigrated to New Zealand and i feel the same about them, they have lost the right to vote.