I once saw him described as “a haunted Victorian pencil”, which I thought was very fitting.
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One of their finest tunes
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This is undoubtedly exactly the plan.
Says not much good about the whining right that those without the morals of an amoeba seek to prevent a woman who by all accounts is intelligent, able and honourable, as Sir Kier knows well, having before worked together.
Preventing a capable, willing and an undoubted asset from working in the public interest is petty and reeks of envy.
A change of leadership for UK cannot come too soon.
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well, the non “Urgent Question” went spectacularly wrong for the Tory knob-heads…
MR Moorhouse nailed it in his video, I have just checked google news and not a single Tory backed paper have mentioned yesterdays ‘Urgent’ question, it has definitely blown up in there faces, I have heard that they are going to ask for an urgent question about whether or not to have Spotted Dick or Eton mess for tomorrows pudding. They are the Ratnors of politics.
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now, on a point of order, that’s an issue de Pfeffle should be well qualified to debate…
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I think the debate would be changed to which is more intelligent and have better morals, Boris or Spotted Dick.
It would be a quick debate 
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Putting aside the rights or wrongs of this affair, couldn’t it have been forseen that it would provide a distraction from the real issues affecting Britain, principally at this moment though not solely, the spiralling cost of living.
Starmer had a chance to shut this down yesterday by simply saying when he first approached Gray but chose not to which obviously keeps the story alive.
quite frankly, I saw that demand from the Treasury bench and immediately thought “mind your own effin business, it has nothing to do with you”.
When will the Treasury bench provide similar details about the dates and times de Pfeffle met unchaperoned with Russian officials (aka spies and enemies of the State) which is of public interest? Thought so.
even if he had replied - which he was never obliged to do, it would not have shut down the conversation but fuelled it.
It’s tomorrows sausage wrapper - well, actually it wasn’t. Not even the Tory supporting media ran with it 
Starmer treated it with the utter contempt it truly deserved.
This is politics, the Tories are fighting for their lives with an election next year so will take any opportunity to have a pop at Labour simply to deflect from their own s**t. If Starmer had been willing to answer then this would have gone away and made the Tories look foolish yet again, unless of course he approached her in an inappropriate way.
This is from the Guardian, SF’s ‘go to’ paper for the ‘truth’ -
no, it’s playing at politics which Sunak and all his predecessors have accused Starmer of doing.
Did you note that all the Tory MPs who called for the urgent question, copy pasted the same content to the Speaker given to them by the whips? They don’t even have the intelligence to move the words around
It’s a non issue, a home goal for the Tories and it’s dead and buried - dead in a ditch, an insignificant non entity just like the Tories have become.
No doubt before long, they’ll resurrect “beergate” again 
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It is heartbreakingly sad that the next labour prime minister may well be someone who seems to have next to no labour values and seems entirely incompetent at running a political party and being a leader. Ultimately a win is a win is a win, but as someone who against the tide gave him a hell of a lot positivity in his first year or so, he really does seem like an absolutely empty husk of a man. I truly can’t imagine what sort of a lawyer he was when he seems to have considerably less personality than a Spitting Image John Major. It’s remarkably odd. He’s remarkably odd. But if he wipes out the Tories somewhat he’s got my backing I guess. 
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I think that depends at least partly on whether you think the proposed appointment is a real error, or just something the Tories are fulminating over to distract from Johnson.
Good news (you may have missed it): Corbyn is no longer leader!
I think that may win the award for the oddest reply on here today. Although, there are 3 and a bit hours to go so perhaps you can also give me the good news later that Arthur Henderson is no longer labour leader. I did enjoy the fact that he was the MP for Barnard Castle. I wonder if he regularly made the 60 mile round trip drive to Durham to test his eyesight…
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I agree wholeheartedly with that statement, but… something has to awaken the British electorate to the failure of the electoral system they’ve meekly come to accept. 5 years of a policy barren and principle free Labour government after 13/14 of Tory mismanagement might be that wake up call. A strong left of centre party is drastically needed, even if in opposition.
The average UK voter simply isn’t interested enough in politics to demand change, they assume that next year Labour will take over and all will be right with the world when in reality very little will change.
Starmer will follow a similar path as the Tories under Sunak with a few tweaks to make Labour look different but they face the same challenges on the NHS, the aftermath of Brexit, Ukraine and climate change etc that exist now and they know the electorate won’t accept anything radical so will ease themselves into government with the plan to stay there for at least 10 years.
Having now seen Starmer’s somewhat car crash of an interview with Nick Ferrari on LBC, I will concede that I am tending to the belief that he came across as somewhat shifty when quizzed over when he first discussed this appointment with Ms Gray.
It is clear to me (and other commentators) that his response should have been on the lines of “Look Nick, I can’t actually remember the exact date on which I approached her but it was certainly after she submitted her report on Partygate” or words to that effect. He would then have been better placed to defend his position thereafter and not look so, shall we say, suspicious, fuelling further speculation about the matter.
Always possible to be wise after the event of course and perhaps some of his inexperience as a front line politician coming through. not unlike Sunak in its own way.
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But then he’d have been lying, every event, email, phone call would have been minuted.