The American Christian Right is about as Christian as I am.
I’m just honest about being an atheist.
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Well, there’s an example of “the scandal of grace” in Matthew 20: it’s never too late to repent.
These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’
I think you hear most from the noisy, Right-wing evangelicals in the US and presume we’re all the same.
Someone suggested that you need a balance between justice and grace. The Right focus on the former, the Left/Liberal on the latter.
Many people who go to church rely on ‘professionals’ to explain what they signed up for. Few really seem to understand, and often respond out of emotion or a sense of guilt and wanting to be different. The church has been operating for a long time too, and has always taken on aspects of popular culture, so it’s natural for some not to understand the OT in the context of the NT. And if you like the idea of smiting enemies then it makes a lot of sense.
Priceless 
Not the Religious Society of Freinds, where I was an attender in Cirencester.
Hairbear - I’m calling you out on your use of the term ‘ethnic cleansing’ - what is being suggested is nothing of the sort, and is in very bad taste. Whatever your views about this ‘suggestion’ - it is certainly not ethnic cleansing. The term could also be used to describe the line the french government is taking about those who are experiencing ‘difficulties’ over ‘non french income’.
Would you be able to quote what Hairbear said please? I can’t find it now.
@Jennifer11 I’m assuming that Concorde is referring to your post.
@Concorde - what do you call it when Lam wishes to revoke settled status (as does Farage BTW) so that the UK can be “culturally coherent”?
What’s the next step? Because you can be certain there will be one, and another, and another until we discover that gassing people we don’t like is easier and more convenient than “sending them home”, especially when that home is, in fact, the UK.
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I expect it’s me misunderstanding something, apologies. My last post on this thread was about spy school at Sciences Po, I think. But Concorde’s reply starts @ Hairbear.
I’ve never understood how to find the post that someone has replied to, have I missed something?
If it is a reply to a specific post then there should be a link back, similarly for quoted text.
But if it just a reply to the thread you might have to work it out from context.
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Thank you, I’ve got it now. I tried something that hasn’t worked before and it worked today. 
I don’t remember mentioning ethnic cleansing?
If I did perhaps someone could link this post to it ?
I think it was me, Hairbear.
It could, I suppose… but only by a complete idiot.
Even if I don’t agree with what Retailleau has said, he’s not looking to kick people out of a country they legally have the right to live in. He’s said they don’t have the right to seek French citizenship if their primary source of income is generated outside France. But he’s not kicking them out of France.
Katie Lam, however, said, “a large number of people in this country who came here legally, but in effect shouldn’t have been able to do so. It’s not the fault of the individuals who came here, they just shouldn’t have been able to do so. They will also need to go home.”
As I said, only an idiot would consider that to be in any way comparable.
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B Butcher & other posters; - a comment was made - on this thread -about a tory ? suggestion re UK benefits should not be paid to those not of UK nationality. A whole section seems to have disappeared - but ‘Hairbear’ did refer to the proposal as being ‘ethnic cleansing’ - which I found very distasteful, and I wrote that the idea was no worse than the french government’s line - at the moment - about problems due to ‘no french income;'‘ for citizenship etc. I called Hairbear out on his comment - and the whole sub-section of comments and quotes has ‘gone’……………..
But you replied to a post by me, not Hairbear.
There are only two posts by @hairbear on the entire site which have the phrase “ethnic cleansing” - one is just above this one, in the other the phrase only occurs in quoted text.
People carrying out ethnic cleansing rarely (if ever) call it that - they come up with weasel phrases like “culturally coherent” or rant on about “purity” or some such.
You are right, it is distasteful - that Lam wants to kick out people who have arrived here legally, found jobs, have chosen to make their homes here, apply for settled status and by and large contribute positively to society just because she feels that doing so using EU freedom of movement was somehow scamming the immigration system.
But as @Gareth points out the French are not currently talking about revoking the right to stay for anyone who already has it - though they seem to be tightening up on many aspects such as the ability to speak French.
Not that this hasn’t been proposed before (I seem to recall Jean Marie le P was keen on the idea).
I can only assume Lam hates the Tories who took us into the EU and probably hates the Tories who negotiated Brexit even more - which begs the question why she is still a member of the party when she now has the option of joining Reform.
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The original post which referred to ‘ethnic cleansing’ has disappeared; I 'replied; later to your post because you queried what post I had been referring to.