It was the contradictory statements about DA that was confusing.
And that says it all.
Volunteering at abuse centres you find most victims are too scared to tell police. We tried to encourage them to report the violence but most do not. And the same people came back again and again and again and still didnāt report it.
The stats are just the tip of a very large iceberg. I think about 18% of domestic abuse is actually reported.
Even having acid thrown over her wasnāt enough for one victim to report her abuser, it was only when this womans child was assaulted did she finally say " enough is enough". Itās just so sad.
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Can they bring a case if the abused partner wonāt testify?
I think I may have worked out the point you want to make, which is that the sort of person who riots may also assault a domestic partner.
Is that right? Because I donāt think anyone on this forum would be defending rioters, or even trouble makers, unless they were doing it in support of PA, Just Stop Oil or the like.
Now that would be an interesting statistic: how many people arrested for supporting a proscribed organisation like PA were also accused of DA!
I donāt support rioters for any cause. Rioting and violence are never the answer.
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Yes, the reaction is always that itās typical of that particular minority and or they are a terrorist in some terrorist group or organisation.
A white perpetrator is almost always described as a lone wolf or aberrant exceptional weirdo not at all representative of the majority population.
And generally violence against women and/or children by respectable-seeming white men is minimised.
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No, the point I am making is that you cannot condemn a whole group on the actions of one individual.
That people rioting about the violent actions of one member of an ethnic group who themselves have a history of violence is just ironic.
So what was the relevance of Public Order Act arrestees having DA records then?
The bar for GBH charge is pretty high.
Domestic violence has always been a problem for the police. In the 80s, if a woman called the police to report domestic violence she would be asked āIs he hitting you now?ā. If no she would have been told to see a solicitor. Later on that changed to arrest in all cases of allegations. Often this would lead to a āI donāt want him arrested, I just want it stopā, and sometimes she would then join her partner in attacking the police officer to prevent the arrest. I do understand why this happened. And I do acknowledge that women have often been badly served by the police.
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Youāve forgotten then!
No worries.
āReally serious harmā.
That was the point I was making, of course.
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Honestly, I just get fed up with the misandry sometimes. Yes, some men do some horrible things to their partners, but they are a minority.
Iām pretty sure these rioters are immune to irony, but itās no surprise that people who would burn family homes are also bastards at home.
It horrifies me when I see what some people do to their partners. Perhaps itās just a south of England effect, but a frying pan is apparently a very effective weapon against a husband.
My original point was :
There are a lot of things that seem more deserving of a riot than the original incident, but thereās a good chance many of the rioters knock their wives and husbands around, so itās nothing special.
Even though this crime was horrible, there are many things that happen which get ignored - essentially agreeing with you apart from the misandry.
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Iām surprised you think anything is worth a riot. If rioting is the answer, youāre asking the wrong question, as they say.
Interesting and disturbing information on Belfast from Wired.
On a completely different topic, those nice people in Israel are trying to make sure we get the right sort of politicians. After all, you wouldnāt want the wrong sort to get into power, now would you?
The problem is that the word āriotā has two different meanings. One is the legal one, which requires a very high level of disorderly behaviour (s. 1 here Public Order Act 1986; 12 or more, use or threaten unlawful violence; common purpose: charge is usually difficult because itās difficult to prove the commonality element); the other is the occasional disorderly behaviour you see on marches of all types.
People on one side or the other like to throw the word around to malign people they disagree with. But most people donāt actually mean riot in the legal sense.
I see reports of violence against girls and women all the time in the media, and itās thoroughly miserable. Maybe UK media talks about it more than French channels?
From the UK home page on the BBC tonight:
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The simple fact is that most violent acts, whomever the victim, are carried out by men. Globally it is something like 80-90% of all recorded acts of violence. It follows that domestic violence will mostly be carried by men.
Which is interesting as only about 8-9% of defendants in domestic abuse cases are women. Thatās in line with the general male:female ratios for violence (though I take your point that, for various reasons, men might actually be less inclined to ultimately make a complaint to the police). If itās truly 25% it suggests women might be more violent in the home than out of it.
Unless politically expedient, unfortunately.
I supposed this is not all that surprising, that violent people are more likely to take part in violent protest does not seem surprising somehow.
I agree domestic violence needs to be dealt with and not normalised by society as in the past. At least we havenāt normalised it as much as the Taliban have which, I suppose, is something. But Iām not sure saying āitās only/mostly menā is necessarily helpful - violence is nearly always men anyway whether that is inside or outside the home.
Yes, itās one of those things Labour is getting on with sorting but which seems to be under appreciated (or even attacked) as you note.
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But the point you made was that itās ignored, when it plainly isnāt. A link to your source would also be helpful.