Wow… it takes something really bad to wind @anon88169868 up and I can’t think of anything worse than threatening violent murder. @Robert_Hodge needs to be mega careful
If Cat’s version of events is accurate - and I have no reason to suppose that it is not then I’d say Robert has strayed onto the wrong side of the law. As I said I am amazed that James and Cat let him stay on the site.
For the record if I ran the site I’d have kicked him off - I have questioned some of James’ off-kickings before but I’d be right behind him in this case.
Suggesting someone “might suffer the same fate as Jo Cox” is a death threat, plain and simple.
Obviously we still have the message somewhere. I took it as a threat - James’s take was that he could easily have argued ‘oh no, I didn’t mean it like that, I just meant she should be careful not to inflame others’ bla bla bla.
People have said some pretty dire things to and about us over the years and we have become fairly immune. If it had been directed at anyone other than one of us two far stronger action would have been taken.
Since than I have kept a close eye on Mr Hodge’s posts. But if he is going to continue to advocate for Brexit (see, there was me being super grown up and not writing BREXSHIT in capitals), then it is probably time for a bit more transparency.
Ps - as an aside - there is nearly always far more to the kickings off the site than meets the eye. Some of the posters who come across publicly as sweet, needy ladies have behaved atrociously, unleashing a level of vitriol towards us personally that is quite unbelievable. We just (generally) don’t do a lot of dirty laundry airing in public!
I agree you need a robust constitution and asbestos underpants to spend a lot of time on Social Media - much less run a site but I’d count that as a rubicon crossed.
It is quite common to make threats when there is not a reasoned discussion to have as there is so very little positive that may come from Brexit.
Having now been “outed” will we have seen the last of @Robert_Hodge
I notice in his picture, he seems to be slapping himself round the back of the neck, so maybe we can deduce something from that?
BREXSHIT BREXSHIT BREXSHIT BREXSHIT BREXSHIT!!!
Because that’s what it is!
Izzy x
OK. So let’s get one thing said loud and clear here.
I have never at any time made any death threats to anyone.
What I have said in the past is that using insulting, obscene, and deliberately inflammatory language only serves to make any situation worse, and that it is the routine use of such language that often serves as a catalyst that sets in motion extreme acts being committed by those with a tendency towards such things.
I note that this false allegation against me is being made in a third party conversation rather than someone having the courage of their convictions to challenge me directly.
If the allegation being made was true, then no doubt not only would my membership of this forum have been terminated a long time ago, but I would surely have had the Gendarmerie knocking at the door as well.
So is this current situation a signal of how the membership of this site deals with someone who has a different opinion ? If so then that is hardly a very democratic way to behave in my view.
So I say to all of you (including management); If you have evidence to support this wild and untrue allegation then produce it, but produce all of it, and not just the part of it that you may feel supports your cause.
I know that the allegation is completely untrue, and that therefore what would be appropriate is an apology that is circulated as widely and publicly as the false allegation that has been made.
Well, if you did not threaten Cat you don’t have to FO, then FO some more when you are done.
While I appreciate that it is easy to choose language that winds up bing misunderstood for various reasons (I have been doing that most of my life) one needs to be careful with online content. there is a big difference between
“Be careful or you’ll end up like Jo Cox”
and
“Be careful because stirring strong emotion online sometimes triggers loonies in real life”
The former all too easily reads as a threat, the latter less so (I hope, but even that is possibly a bit questionable).
So, what did you send to Cat? If you used the site’s “private message” or your own email chances are you have a copy. Post it in the Lounge and we can see how others interpret it.
Paul, this was at least a year ago if not two. The way I look at it is from the viewpoint of ‘Innocent until proven guilty’. The onus is on whoever wants to make this false allegation to prove their case. Why should I have to spend my time trying to find something with which to defend myself regarding something that didn’t happen.
I’m sure you would agree that were the allegation to be true, then it is highly unlikely that I would still be permitted to be a member of this forum. So surely the fact that I am still able to be here says quite a lot by itself.
If Cat has kept the message,she is in a position to post it and get peoples opinions
Surely the fact that you still want to be here says quite a lot by itself!
Yes please do @Robert_Hodge because it will save me trawling through James’s DM’’S.
I am very happy to challenge you directly as I DO have the courage of my convictions. I didn’t do so at the time because quite honestly, my opinion of anyone who would send such a message (and to my husband not even to me - shades of Victorian keeping women in check type attitudes?!!) , is that they are an entirely pathetic individual, probably suffering from little man syndrome and not worth me wasting my time on.
The only reason I didn’t report it to the police was because having googled you and your postings, I came to the conclusion that you weren’t a risk and the police have better things to do that waste their time with twats.
You may take it as evidence that I feel it appropriate that someone should add a sometimes opposing view to the debate for the benefit of the many ‘silent readers’ on this site from whom my posts often attract ‘likes’.
You know, I believe that I recall correctly that the object of my message of which you now complain, was that I felt it was inappropriate for a management team member to be using the type of inflammatory and degradatory language that you have used in your latest post on this thread.
Surely the role of management should be to moderate the conduct of others rather than to pour petrol onto the fire by using inflammatory and offensive language.
You are the one who is now making complaint, albeit at a very late stage, so I say to you “Produce your evidence Madame”.
No it wasn’t. And yes I will.
TBH likes is no measure of agreement with what you say in as much as it is the way you say it or the degree of research behind your assertations. I might not agree with your commentary but I might like the way you put your argument. If you think that any “like” I have cast on your posts has a different meaning then you are sadly mistaken and I might be tempted to withdraw any I have done although I can’t honestly be arsed to waste my time on it.
Personally, I trust the judgement of @cat more than I trust @Robert_Hodge in this issue. Again, typical of the Brexshit genre, blame everyone else and accept responsibility for nothing
Let me help you out.
I believe the message exchange you refer to was that which took place in March 2019 between myself and James on the subject of a rather ‘partisan’ banner headline which seemed to be a permanent fixture on the SF website at the time. There were three posts which comprise the exchange which are as follows;
Robert Hodge
Dear James,
I can’t help but notice that there now seems to be a permanent banner directing users towards the Petition to Cancel Article 50 on the HM Gov’t website at the top of the homepage of SurviveFrance website.
Would it not be better for the site to stay neutral on such a political matter as this ? Is there not enough division in British society already without SurviveFrance fuelling the flames.
I must say that I’m very disappointed to see the website taking such a partisan view and that I had expected better.
Sincerely,
Robert Hodge.
Hi Robert
Thanks for your feedback, this point was raised a few weeks ago, this was Catharine’s response.
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I have absolutely no idea why you think SF is ‘non-partisan’? We have never said that! Like any other media outlet we have an editorial policy and we are firmly anti-Brexshit. We absolutely defend any posters right to politely express their opinions but don’t be surprised if the majority of the readership disagree with you. The Mail is always there for anyone who wants to hark back to the good old days . And the pro-lifers too for that matter…
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I am firmly anti-brexit and will support whatever I can to derail it. I am sorry that you feel disappointed by that but I, like everyone else is entitled to an opinion.
James
Thank you for responding James.
Clearly I was under a misunderstanding about the neutral nature of SF when it comes to political matters so I thank you for making the position of SF clear.
Whilst I do of course completely accept your right to both hold and express a strong personal position, I find that I have to ask myself whether it is appropriate to use bad language to do so.
I refer here to your alternate spelling of ‘Brexit’. Surely we can all express ourselves politely whatever our views may be. In such a debate I trust that you would agree that it is best to keep emotions under control in order to prevent any further Jo Cox type of incidents.
Sincerely,
Robert.
The message was not directed to you Catharine because I was not taking issue with anything you personally had said. I was taking issue with the banner headline prevailing on tthe website at the time.
As can be seen above, the only reference to you was made by James himself.
I am confident that anyone reading the above message exchange would readily agree that my intent was to try and keep things calm and civilised in order to help prevent any further violent incidents.
Clearly James had no problem with my comments or else he would have pursued the matter further.
There is no threat of any description made towards anyone in the above message exchange.
An apology from those who have been saying otherwise would be nice.
Robert.
I invite you to read the message exchange contained in my last post for yourself Graham.