I am wondering how many of you are for Brexit and how many against it?


(Christine Stone) #81

I hope your life continues to run smoothly - it does not for everyone. Reading your remarks I find you extremely unpleasant!

(Barbara Deane) #82

Mr Blackmore not sure exactly what your pointmis.
1.3Million people are not important!!!

(Barbara Deane) #83

Christine who is unpleasant?

(Anna Watson) #84

Barbara - I’ve just figured out that if you look in the top right corner of the post, you can see who the reply is directed at.

Woo-hoo yay, I’ve just given a bit of teckie advice - and I’m hopeless at anything teckie! was actually worrying in case Christine meant me, then just happened to spot it!

(Michael Blackmore) #85

I think it is quite clear in my post.

(Barbara Deane) #86

Ah got it Anna ! I am really hopeless at Techie stuff!!!
I have a big problem with sequences so can not read maps very well,
can not drive, use a sewing machine, follow recipes or choregraphy.
However I can cook and create/establish recipes and I could dance…
once upon a time.
So putting pics on here or anywhere else is not possible for me.

(Angela Mackay) #87

Christine, I find your remarks quite offensive. It is not necessary to be so rude on a public forum. You don’t know me and you really have no idea what kind of person I am. We were asked to comment on Brexit. Please refrain from being personal.

(Barbara Deane) #88

I think that, perhaps some of us have swopped complaisancy with compassion.

We are not all able to rise up from poor beginings and develop an empire of

properties or become a wiz kid in the banking world.

It is easy to turn one s nose up in the face of good fortune and look down…knowing that others have been less lucky.

Being careful, organised and a hard worker is to be admired but it does not prepare

you when you are faced with the damage that others create.

It is almost impossible for most of the survivors in France to feel safe unless we

are nonchalant or have a very large cushion of currency under our beds and

properties in other countries should we need to escape.

Europe is dividing like an amoeba and with each division there is less strength.

United we may have gained energy.

(Angela Mackay) #89

I couldn’t agree more Barbara, because I am fortunate enough to have a house elsewhere doesn’t mean that I don’t have compassion. I have one of my sons living in France with his three children who are half French and struggles to make a living. The EU hardliners (Juncker and Tusk) are threatening to make life difficult for British Expats but we gave to remember that there are as many French nationals living in the U.K. (Mainly London) as Bordeaux (that’s why London is known as Frances 6th biggest city). It’s very easy to judge others unless you know them and their circumstances.

(Anna Watson) #90

“Feeling safe” seems very important to you, Barbara.

I don’t think there’s ever been a phase in my adult life when I’ve felt safe as such. I don’t think life offers that kind of guarantee. Some people have safe jobs, plenty of money and insurance but even then feeling safe is an illusion because nobody knows what’s round the corner - accidents, ill health, the economy going belly up, etc. Personally, I chose very early on not to “do” safe jobs and money in the bank, that was never my priority, so I’ve had a wing and a prayer sort of life all the way through but I’ve enjoyed it. I’m actually amazed that I’ve got to 60 still solvent and relatively unscathed, and I feel lucky to have so many good times to look back on, so in a way even if I get kicked in the teeth over Brexit I won’t feel that I’ve had too bad a deal overall, you have to take the swings with the roundabouts or whatever it is they say. But the point I was trying to get round to is that the best feeling of safety has to come from within, it has to be confidence in your own ability to be adaptable and resilient and to be able to cope no matter what. I think the only people who feel safe in the sense that they believe life has a duty to be good to them, are either people who live stolidly risk-averse lives, which to me would be very boring (moving abroad is a risk) and/or who have no imagination. From your posts Barbara I don’t think you’ve lived a boring life and I think you have imagination, so your feeling of safety has to come from within.

(Barbara Deane) #91

But a friend of mine has 2 jobs (he is in his fouties with plenty of energy)

and a couple of properties…he is finding it hard to manage…even with good calculated

investments and working for established companies.

He voted for Europe…he feels like I do that this is going to be ugly…well it is now…

and painfull.

His wife my close friend is from Portugual and came here a long time ago and

married my dear friend (who came from Calcutta) she re married after his death

some years ago.

She is settled in UK of course but now feels unwelcome.

What is so good about all this?

Whether you are saying that there are too many polish people or that the Irish builders

have taken all the building jobs in London or that the chamber maids at the Hilton Park Lane or all Spanish…or that the Muslims are all dangerous.

Just stop and re examine the whole picture.

Anna the compassionate side of you has not come through on all your posts.

“I am all right Jack” comes across …


(Barbara Deane) #92

No I do not think I have had a boring life…no way.

Yes at this stage in my life I do want “safety”

And I feel that there are many people who crave it too.

I want to see real people in the world not robots with false

smiles on their faces.


(Anna Watson) #93

What I’m saying Barbara is that I’m not all right Jack but I don’t blame the world for that. A lot of it has to do with expectations.“There is nothing either bad or good but that thinking makes it so”, as the Bard said, and there’s truth in it. Glass a quarter full or glass three-quarters empty?

I do look at the whole picture, I see what happened in Alep, that’s the world we live in.

(Angela Mackay) #94

Not sure who Anna is :wink: I have family who are polish, sons godfather was Indian (sadly no longer alive) and I get very angry when I hear about race hatred. I think some future control, whether a points based system or other, will be necessary in UK as elsewhere in Europe. Even Merkel is backtracking on her open door policy. I think we are going to see quite a shake up in the EU with or without Brexit. I believe in keeping an open mind, remember I did vote to remain.

(Barbara Deane) #95

Angela yes you said you voted remain!
so now please tell me why you are so “easy going” about all this?

You have a gay daughter, children in France…grand children?
if Le Penn gets in she is saying that there will be no free schooling for

foreign children…I guesse that the grand children are French.

A the Polish relations well they certainly should receive some respect…

abandoning them to UK history is sad.

(Mike Kearney) #96

Definitely against Brexit. But the British were never totally committed to the project anyway, so maybe Europe will be better off without them. But I still have a small hope that something will happen to sabotage the whole foolish business.

p.s. People keep asking my wife, “When is your husband going home?”

(Barbara Deane) #97

Does your wife say "we are both home!"
Yes, of course I hope that a little miracle will happen to sabotage
the whole foolish business!

(Mike Kearney) #98

Actually there is a lot of ignorance about the status of ex-pats. Many (even well educated) people are convinced that France pays for our health care.
But, sadly, once people have made up their minds about something, factual evidence does not convince them.

(Elaine Hayden) #99

I always thought the EU was a democratic institution, however, since the democratic vote of the UK (and by the way I voted to stay), I am beginning to think it is more of a ‘Mafia’ type institution. You can join the EU but you can never leave it without painful consequences. Such has been the rhetoric from leaders of ‘Member States’. I expected adult, sensible behaviour from EU leaders and an attempt to understand and seek a solution that would cause least damage all round. Instead we have seen childish, spiteful, playground behaviour with the UK now seen as the enemy of the EU because it dared to have a voice! We all need to consider the ‘bigger’ picture and hope that common sense will prevail, adult discussions will take place around the negotiating table and a workable solution can be found. All the pre-guessing together with predictions of doom and gloom are really not helping anyone.

(Anna Watson) #100

All I’ve seen from the EU leaders is frustration that five months on, no progress has been made and Ms May still won’t give any them indication of her proposed deal. They’ve made it pretty clear that the ball is in her court - the UK wants to change the relationship, it’s up to them to say what they want the new relationship to look like. Beyond the ridiculous “cake and eat it” business I don’t think the EU has ruled anything out has it?
But then, I don’t read the British papers.