still naff though 
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I have a new nom de plume for JRM - Jacob Grease-Knob - quite fitting.
If I heard it correctly, the party has excommunicated the rebels who voted against the Government last night - if that’s the case - how will that work? He has already lost his majority/authority and I think Labour are not now in the mood to let him have his 2 thirds majority to go for an election which will come anyway.
I think TB was quite right to suggest an elephant trap
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It’s clear the working majority now stands at -22
My own view is that the rebels should formally resign the whip and “cross the floor” although I don’t especially expect that to happen.
I think we might just have witnessed the destruction of the Tory party.
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I think those that are pulling the strings simply don’t care whether the Tory party survives or not as they are fixated on leaving and will do anything (by fair means or foul) to ensure that happens.
I’m not sure a GE will actually solve the Brexit puzzle and can see a second referendum next year. Of course everything depends on stopping ‘no-deal’ this week.
I now no longer give a toss if the Tory party survives - the country however is a different story.
Why the uproar, it’s not unusual to see politicians lying in parliament 
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I agree and have said so all along, even a referendum has significant problems.
However I think it looks like a GE is very likely, probably October.
I doubt there will be a BP/Tory alliance - for one thing there is no love lost between Farage and Johnson/Cummings, for another Farage has been calling Johnson a traitor for claiming to want a deal.
Johnson judges - possibly correctly - that the Tories need to be pure of purpose over Brexit, hence the purge. This has worrying parallels but a perverse sort of logic, however, in trying to out Brexit the Brexit party he will move the party to the extreme right wing - you then have two parties fighting essentially in the same space and I think that vote will split with neither emerging as a winner.
That leaves the LibDems (and the other “Remain” parties) vs Labour - that will largely depend on whether Labour gets its act together. I don’t think it will but I don’t think there is much chance of the LibDems emerging as the largest single party.
It’s going to be a mess.
Both Labour and the LibDems will likely promise another referendum and I can see them having to work together in a coalition, the 2nd Ref will result in remain so Farage’s party will carry on, just call me ‘Mystic Meg’.
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LibDems won’t do another coalition having got their fingers burnt last time.
They may have to.
Personally, I admired them for putting the needs of the country first, but they got burnt over University fees.
Perhaps, they will be a little bit more careful as to what they put into their Manifesto the next time.
What a shame that it has taken so long to put to bed the lie that the Tories were a broad church.
Now we see just how they treat decent and long serving members of their own party, with the appalling sight of JRM lolling on the benches during the debate.
I have definitely missed your point because I can’t make out the difference between cultivated and “cultivated”! Perhaps we’ve both spent too much time already on this somewhat bizarre and rather trivial topic; so I wish you a good afternoon.
** Cultivated** - something that wasn’t natural but had to be grown, developed (can apply to accents - Etonian or otherwise)
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Fully agree see here:
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More ‘unparliamentary’ language from the PM
Despicable man
Good comment from Ian Dunt - “Don’t worry that he said s**t in parliament; worry that he is s**t”.
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from Laura K, interesting,
It looks like the Kinnock amendment to put Theresa May’s deal back to the Commons for another vote just went through by mistake… things are getting very very odd around here indeed
Deliberate ploy by No.10 apparently.