That disaster was only a couple of weeks ago - it is simply back to back to back cock ups, lies and corruption.
I doubt very much heâll resign and the thought of gove in his place makes me want to vomitâŠ
Iâm as politically homeless as ever as I donât trust starmer eitherâŠ,
At this point itâs such a shitshow of a clusterfuck but if I were to vote at the minute it would be for anyone against vaccine mandatesâŠ
Iâve seen several tories speak out against them and as Iâm not a natural Tory voter then it might be self evident why Iâm perceiving myself as politically homeless 
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Think it would be helpful for others to understand that statement if you were to explain why youâre against mandates
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Oh Mark, why do you say that. 
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I could try but I would be covering a lot of ground that has already been coveredâŠ
I have my line in the sand and as has been pointed out on many occasions itâs pointless debating with me 
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There was no offence taken whatsoever, Iâm glad I had the opportunity to explain 
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Very simple and Iâm surprised you even bother to ask. There are varying reasons why people are against mandates,. some are relatively sound on an individual level, like my younger brother, who contracted polio at the age of two following a vaccination, and has understandably been vaccine wary thoughoout his adullthood.
Others less so in my view, particulalrly those libertarians who place their personal ârightsâ above those of their fellow citizens, and even more so when such people choose to believe some person on the internet, rather than trying to do proper research from reliable sources. When I taught first year Open University students, one of the first things they learned was how to identify and distinguish reliable and less reliable sources of information. Unfortunately, most antivaxers lack this skill.
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Fine, I hope you donât die from Covid, and even more importantly, I hope you donât infect others.
But, really, how does to feel to be so solipsistic? Is it your âlineâ in the sand, or your head?
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I am still alive and well despite choosing not to take any covid vaccines as are many of my family and friends around the world who have chosen the same pathâŠ.
We come from a place of love and hope that all who have chosen to take a vaccine remain safe alive and well tooâŠ.
I could only âinfectâ others if I had been in a situation where I may have contracted it but I havenâtâŠ.
Iâm sure that phrase was chosen spur of the moment, but of course, given his Asian ancestry, it can look a bit dodgy in retropspect . I wouldât I wish to be thought of as âwokeâ . but would advocate fewer shorthand clichĂ©s and more postings written in the authorâs very own words rather than those of The Guardian or the tabloids.
I donât think âloveâ will be that much use in fighting the pandemic. - I imagine this family also loved one another:-
So itâs ok to acknowledge the vaccine wary/hesitant on an individual level as in those who may have suffered previous harm (like your brother for which Iâm truly sorry and my heart goes out to anyone suffering vaccine injury) but not ok to acknowledge those currently being harmedâŠ.most of which have taken the vaccines in all good faith and are now suffering âŠ.???
Thatâs self-evidently statistically false, so why should you make such an assertion? Choose any country you like and youâll see tha that where people have been vaccinated, over 90% of those in ICUs were unvaccinated or had pre-existing conditions. But even amongst those unfortunates, most are unvaccinated , and many were previously healthy 30-50 year olds.
If you want to contradict this assertion, provide a credible link. Also previously you posted that itâs useless to argue with you - so why are you arguing? I find the irrationality of so many anti-vaxers and so-called libertarians really exasperating, because most of their arguments are either solipsistic or illogical. and are certainly anti-social.
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Iâm not able to open that link donât know whyâŠ.
We also love one anotherâŠ,
My partner in U.K. has always voted ToryâŠheâs pissed off for many reasons one of which is the debacle in U.KâŠâŠhe lost his mother just before covid (also lost the family home but thatâs another story) he was saying that much as he supports the conservatives the fact that they were laughing and joking and partying while people werenât able to be with their dieing loved ones makes him feel sick to the coreâŠ.(He also just lost his sister at 52âŠnot to covidâŠshe was triply vaccinated)
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Iâm talking about those who have already been harmedâŠand there are many more who are going unacknowledged and they have no come back whilst the manufacturers have no liability and no accountability
Pfizer now want until 2096 to release their clinical trial data when they were granted their EUA in 180 daysâŠ.
Iâm just saying that itâs pointless debating with me not because I am some great holier than thou philosopher but because there are many who have already planted themselves firmly on the vaccine side of the debate and are not open to any other viewâŠ.
OK. Another thread that I need to mute. You donât know what youâve started @DrMarkH! Where have you been all these months?
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Exactly 
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Seriously?
I donât need you or anyone to âadvocateâ what or how I should write, the meaning is very accurate in Sunakâs case as there is very little known about him other than he married into extreme wealth and based on his past voting record he is a typical anti EU Tory, there have been no scandals or dodgy dealings that have been made public so he seems to be âblemishâ free.
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