The Benefits of Vaccination (with thread drift...)

Also signage, good road design, driver testing and myriad other ‘restrictions’ designed to reduce risk and thus harm.

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I told you once!

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Did Dr Lawrie write this because if she was a medical doctor then she would have access to this data or at least most of it. PMS data as it is known as in the industry is unfortunately never on the spot due to the delay in the reporting or lack of such. Those 3 “urgent” questions could possibly be answered but in my opinion wouldn’t stop there as other questions would be or should be raised but wont be as some quarters would pipe up about racism, diversity, inclusivity and the rest of the baggage that only cause more problems and bad blood.

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Of course it’s not a perfect analogy - it was intended only to help see the other side of the argument by putting folks on that side and seeing how it felt - but it’s interesting that extended safety measures, rather than dealing with the cause, seem to be seen as a better mitigation of the deadly effect of cars. Presumably this is because cars have a considerable upside as well as a downside - my point was that the upside of vaccination is obvious for some people, but not so clear for others.

On the ‘3 ways to stop the virus spreading’ there are also possible compromise positions that mitigate the risks but are not wholly in any of the 3 ways - most obviously vaccinate the willing, which I guess will include most of the vulnerable, as they have the highest risk from covid and lowest risk from any long term vaccine side effects. (And by the way - I don’t think we will completely stop the virus spreading or mutating whatever we do now.)

I completely agree that when real experts (scientists, doctors, etc) overwhelmingly agree on some course of action we should try to follow it (would we were doing that on climate/ecological breakdown!) - and we must treat maverick views with circumspection - BUT always acknowledging that the scientific theories we accept as ‘true’ now were once themselves maverick.

Yes, but the problem with the safety measures for preventing the spread of Covid is that they are extremely disruptive to a normal way of life and, in my opinion, are not a better mitigation of the risk in the long term than safe and effective vaccines.

To take a war analogy, vaccinating only some of the population while letting the virus spread among the rest is akin to fighting back a bit against the invader but ultimately appeasing him and allowing for a gradual invasion and decline in the long term. Vaccines serve to eliminate the enemy to a bare minimum.

Nonetheless I agree that it would be much better to have people choose to be vaccinated than make it compulsory. We must fight against the tide of misinformation that is causing people to make poor health choices for themselves and share dangerous untruths with friends and family. Ironically if we don’t do that, vaccination might need to become mandatory for the health and safety of everyone.

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Worryingly the UK government seems to have decided that 26k positive tests a day is not enough and want to open up fully.

Their justification is that hospital admissions remain low - which they are, but they are also slowly rising and having had both vaccinations does not protect you against getting Delta as Andrew Marr discovered.

The more cases, hospitalised or not, the more chance of variants - and one of those might be the killer that combines high transmissibility with high lethality.

This government seems incapable of learning, or even taking advice.

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They are facing opposition from the same right wing as the pro-Brexiteers.

Opposition and challenge is good. But it’s frustrating when they don’t propose alternatives. They keep saying we need to ‘learn to live with the virus’, but they never explain how.

You have absolutely no way of knowing that the risks from “the vaccine” to her and her baby are minimal…

There are loads of cases of spontaneous abortion after the “vaccines”…

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Real facts:

I can’t find any validated reports. What is your source, please, Helen?

And the link between Reuter’s and Pfizer is…

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The “covid vaccines” are all under an EUA and the trials ongoing until 2022/2023 so it’s a case of looking for signals…

The inserts so far are blank…so if say for instance me or my daughter or anyone went to an appt and asked to see the vaccine insert…it’s blank…nothing on it…

(I don’t even take an ibuprofen without reading the insert…if you ask for the inserts for any other vaccine they are huge…)

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There is none. They are the world’s most independent and unbiased news organisation underpinned by the Reuters trust principles

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The Story of the Donkey and Tiger
The donkey told the tiger:
′′The grass is blue".
The tiger replied:
′′No, the grass is green".

The discussion became heated up, and the two decided to submit the issue to arbitration, and to do so they approached the lion, King of the Jungle.

Before reaching the clearing in the forest where the lion was sitting on his throne, the donkey started screaming:
′′Your Highness, is it true that grass is blue?".
The lion replied:
“True, the grass is blue”.

The donkey rushed forward and continued:
′′The tiger disagrees with me and contradicts me and annoys me please punish him".
The king then declared:
′′The tiger will be punished with 5 years of silence".

The donkey jumped for joy and went on his way, content and repeating:
′′The grass is blue"…

The tiger accepted his punishment, but he asked the lion:
′′Your Majesty, why have you punished me, after all, the grass is green?"
The lion replied:
′′In fact, the grass is green".
The tiger asked:
′′So why do you punish me?"
The lion replied:
′′That has nothing to do with the question of whether the grass is blue or green. The punishment is because it is not possible for a brave, intelligent creature like you to waste time arguing with a donkey, and on top of that to come and bother me with that question".

The worst waste of time is arguing with the fool and fanatic who doesn’t care about truth or reality, but only the victory of their beliefs and illusions. Never waste time on discussions that make no sense…

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Thank you, Colin. An excellent and apposite parable.

In that case I presume you don’t have any validated reports of these abortions…