And ditto the Burns? Because recently I have seen a lot of ‘locally produced with no OGM’ chicken for sale in the supermarkets that is not actually free range…!!!
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I remember Burns wanting to expand into Europe and the change in packaging that was needed…I seem to remember that they have their own organic farms…??? 
(I can’t remember off hand where they source the brown rice from though)
The air dried offal and muscle meat I don’t know and as I’m pretty much stuck with zooplus as a supplier then I can’t be sure at all…
My local bricolage has a very limited supply of air dried raw food amounting to pigs ears and calcium bones (which I’m unfamiliar with so haven’t tried them yet…they look really white and they always make me think of bleach which may be totally wrong 
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My social circle isn’t as vast as yours but in our circle we know of no one who has had covid…and no one who has died of covid…
We do know of many who have received a “vaccine” including family and many who are suffering as a result including a nurse who can no longer work as she has lost all feelings in her hands…
One of my family who had no need to take it as she’s self employed was pressurised to take a Pfizer vaccine and has had constant headaches and severe constant menstrual bleeding ever since…she won’t be taking the second dose…
She has reported to the yellow card system…
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So basically you have no idea whether you are feeding your dogs factory farmed meat or not?
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Well if we’re still talking about raw feeding dogs on a benefits of vaccination thread (not that I don’t think all of this is related) then yes I’m still at a loss as how to ensure that by raw feeding my dogs I’m not contributing to the misery of factory farming…
I always have had this dilemma and I don’t know how to solve it or resolve with my own higher self…
I believe on one hand that raw feeding is more natural for them and I advocate for compassion in world farming and cctv in slaughter houses and am against live animal exports by sea and transit by road that leaves livestock without water for any length of time…
I don’t know Cat…
I look at the lists of ingredients and additives in commercial dog food and track the recalls and I I know instinctively that I don’t want to feed it to my gang…
I have never known the answer to this dilemma and I don’t pretend I do…
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I’m really not being mean here, but you’ve filled a thread about the benefits of vaccination (of which there are many, many) with a lot of content that if I’m being very kind I shall refer to only as the opposing view, so by its definition is off topic and is just as valid on this thread as raw feeding dogs. 
I should add that I’m actually interested in the raw feeding discussion. I’ve considered it over the years but the negatives always seemed to outweigh the positives so I’m always interested to see first hand experience.
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I never think you’re being mean Kirstea…I never think that anyone is being mean and I love open minded discussion…
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What puts you off and what do you perceive as the negatives…???
I remember the BBC’s erstwhile interpretation of open minded: “every time we talk about a subject, we have to include one acknowledged, accredited expert and somebody who’s seen something on Facebook”.
That has not worked out well for anyone…
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I know what you mean
I think Facebook has totally shot itself in the foot this time by deleting supposedly private groups of people discussing their side effects from covid shots…(and a whole host of other subjects)
I left Facebook ages ago but then reactivated as I knew my friends would become active in light of current circumstances …I only maintain a fb account now to post information from those who have been banned…
The fact checkers drive me crazy…I read their fact checks and just think that they really don’t know what they’re talking about anymore
Half the time they admit that they haven’t even read through a whole artcle…
It’s very strange…but then we have the trusted news initiative to deal with…
We’ll see…
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@cat what brand of kibble do you feed your dogs?
I have considered insect based but not heard great things about it from owners.
Panorama tonight, Long Covid will I get better?
Metabolic syndrome, what you could do to stop getting ill ( my version)
People usually get banned for not adhering to their terms of use, eg. publishing false information a la Trump.
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I have to admit I feed them whatever is on special offer. In an ideal world I would feed them on old horses that had been shot (not PTS as it is far kinder) at home and then chopped up - as in the days of yore. However that is not terribly practical.
They also get whatever bones / scraps / leftovers are around. As all our food is free range and locally produced, this probably helps compensate for whatever crap is in the dried dog food.
I think feeding raw is great in theory. I also think feeding your pets factory farmed chicken etc etc which is stuffed full of antibiotics, never mind the animal welfare aspect, is batshit crazy.
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I guess a lot of things work well in theory only. You inspired me to have a look at my dogs kibble. I feed them lamb and potato mix thinking that generally although they may not be treated that well at least sheep are outside.
To my surprise the food contains poultry!
I totally understand the argument that by feeding raw or high meat content more animals are condemned to misery and this is something to avoid at all costs The bit I understand less is that if you have dogs and feed them a better quality kibble you are not also feeding them food with a high antibiotic content/pesticide content. Taking a look at Pedigree, a ubiquitous pet food, well known but not very nutritious, there is only 4% chicken- not sure what the rest is! And that only applies to 80% of the kibble. The rest must just be grains/cereals. There are also all of the pesticides in the cereal.
So all in all home cooking has the edge but of course there is the cost. For overall animal welfare I guess it has to be kibble next if the meat source is cage free.
I think I am going to have to experiment with the insect kibble next. …
Ps In light of the spread of infectious diseases and possible origins in farm animals given the overuse of antibiotics in farming I do think this is relevant to the current discussion.
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No wonder there is a worldwide issue with drug resistant bacteria etc.
I watched “how it’s made” the dry food is made of junk and highly processed flavourings. No wonder pets are suffering the same illnesses. We know who you are Purina!
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I’ve never posted anything about Trump on my Facebook nor Q-anon…I’m not political…(the most I’ve ever posted has been from journalists and friends in Gaza during bombing campaigns) it’s why I really don’t understand the current suppression of doctors and scientists and virologists etc who are asking questions and filing lawsuits…not just in USA but in Europe and U.K. and the world over…
Edited to add: do you think it’s ok for Facebook to delete and ban thousands of women in groups they formed to talk about their covid vaccine side effects…??? I share their experiences too…
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The guardian article is being talked about in lots of the raw feeding and natural healthcare groups…
There’s one response that is really long so I won’t post it here but he was talking about the origins of the study that led to the guardian article…
A few years back there was a pathogen identified in dry dog food that killed several children and it led to a massive recall of commercial dog food across thousands of brands which led back to The Mars Group…and product from China is often implicated…
It seems the USA use the most antibiotics rearing livestock and the U.K. a lot less…
I don’t really know about France’s use of antibiotics in livestock…
There was a study done of 5000 raw fed dogs and none of the pathogens were found in any of the raw feeding households…
Despite all I think mine have done well on the bio availability of raw food in their systems…my old girl is 13 and my old boy is 11…my boy was from a raw fed mother and he’s never had reason to go to a vet except for 2 rabies vaccines…
If it’s dried poultry meal then it’s a denser product…
I’ve been looking at Burns again…not that I’m considering changing my back up but was just looking for an analysis…
Mine have the lamb and rice and the fish and rice…
I think they are an ethical company…
And this is the breakdown of the raw chicken carcass mince they’re currentjy on…I can’t find any internet site so wondering if it’s place du marche’s own product…??? It comes in 4Kg packs of 20 x 200g individual blocks for just under €15…
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I think you are being deliberately obstructive. My post said nothing about you posting about Trump or Q-anon. When you sign up to Facebook, etc. you agree to their terms of usage, which includes not posting things which are untrue, which is why Trump and his supporters have been banned because they continued to protest that the US election was ‘stolen’ from them.
If what you and other anti-vaxxers are claiming is the medical reality, why are we not seeing this information published in Nature, The Lancet and the BMJ instead of it being spread on dubious US talk shows?
It looks like no restaurants for you then Helen.
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