The Benefits of Vaccination (with thread drift...)

Helen, where is the evidence of this ? Clear evidence from Reuters or other respected news providers ? You make lots of sweeping statements and then don’t back it up.

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I would really like to see evidence of a UK doctor filing a lawsuit…

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Yup, also bars, cinema. Shopping centres et al.

Great move by Macron to make people wake up to the benefits of vaccination, first and foremost to protect each other and if you still choose not to have the jab then you can’t come out to play with the rest of us.

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I can only agree, after several attempts to find actual quantifiable cases I came up with nothing apart from what we know already and the latest German paper on AZ and blood clots. In each case of severe after effects to any of the vaccines either public health England or the opposite number wherever the case was recorded have stepped in to examine with the relevant drug companies to further examine the cases. They are fortunately very rare. In the case of Bells Palsy, I was aware of this illness back when I was 21 as a friends girlfriend suffered it, it is not that rare. Whilst there has been a slight increase in numbers still not that attributable to vaccines.

No sign of cases of paralysis being investigated.

I am always interested to find out the bigger picture but it really isnt an issue compared to the saving of loves via vacination.

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A bit more of the science.

The more I examine the claims by the anti-vaccination brigade the more I notice that the ratio of noise to information is very high. So high as to cast extreme doubt on any claims they make…

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As with most things these days follow the money. AZ made this a philanthropic not for profit exercise. The CEO being French, also being pilloried. Apart from undertakers who profits from a higher death rate?

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I agree Brian. Their voices are shrill and increasingly lack conviction with each passing day.

I think it is a shame that @Helen6 is so firmly of the view that the loud anti-vaxxers are to be taken seriously, given that they make money / increase their followers / gain notoriety, which is what they seek to do and they come to the table with anything but objectivity.

My choice has been complementary therapy for many years now and I use homeopathy and naturopathy / diet in preference to mainstream medicine. Therefore I have several friends who are quietly working in this world with anything but conventional treatments for COVID. The important thing is that they ARE quiet about what they are doing, have no axes to grind and no “followers” to woo.
All, bar none, have been vaccinated. The reasons they have been vaccinated are pragmatism and a recognition that conventional medicine ALWAYS has a vital role to play in a crisis. This is a crisis. Many complementary therapies need time to work. At the moment there is no time.
A perfectly healthy body, with a strong immune system, given homeopathic and nutritional support, may well not need to be vaccinated. A tiny fraction of our world’s population has the fortune to be in such a position. There is not the time to heal the rest of humanity with complementary therapies, which is why we need vaccination, imperfect though it is, and quite frankly ANY responsible complementary therapist knows this and is working within that model. Anyone else, who is an anti-vaxxer (especially if they are shouting it to the rooftops in places like Youtube) deserves to be treated with contempt.

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That’s not a lawsuit. If you pay me I will write a letter containing the lyrics of Sir Mix a Lot’s Baby Got Back to Boris Johnson at your request. It doesn’t mean you’re suing him for having a large rump.

Edit: please someone pay me to do that :rofl:

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So far we have succeeded in getting myocarditis and pericarditis added to fact sheets which I presume will eventually appear on the gene therapy inserts which currentjy are blank…

And it looks like Guillain-Barre is to be added to Johnson and Johnson…

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Yep that’s me grounded for a while…:grinning:

France can maybe rest a little easier today knowing I’m not galavanting around passing on something I don’t have…

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Thought this was interesting…

And this…

Natural immunity vs Covid-19 vaccine-induced immunity - Marc Girardot of PANDA - BizNews.com

And this…

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Whilst I agree with the details on Dr Whites letter, it is difficult to weigh up the number of deaths and severe health issues that would have taken place whilst collating the information. Empirical data is great but only works after the events, dont get me wrong early on I listened to the data from other doctors and posted some of it on here, actions were most definitely at odds with the data.
Again with the aforementioned illnesses these are now pretty well understood but at the time action was required. Why I watched Sweden and their approach we also now have India to review and the lack of anything to help gave them the highest death rate. Nothing is perfect, yes outside of AZ the other companies are no doubt making and absolute pile out of this. Can’t change the way the Americans behave. Talking of America, the are the sickest nation on the planet with the UK not far behind, metabolic syndrome and auto immune diseases are highly prevalent due partly to the crap they eat and the volume of the crap they eat. You can track the increase in metabolic syndrome and auto immune disease around the world, just follow the big food companies.

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Yes agreed it’s difficult while we still have no end point data due to this being an ongoing global phase 3 clinical trial not due to end until 2022 and 2023…

There is additional confusion because of the differing regulatory requirements and trials for conventional vaccines than for mRNA gene therapy and the two aren’t compatible…

So when we come to the huge issue of informed consent enshrined eternally in Nuremberg and Helsinki then informed consent isn’t being given to the people…

Governments and health officials cannot use enticement and coercion to force participation in a medical experiment…

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Problem “informed consent” led to Brexit due to short sighted, bogus plackard boards and rambling by Farage.

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My hairdresser had Bell’s Palsy.
Now fully recovered.

Yes and many of us will never forgive him…maybe he should be added to the crimes against humanity lawsuits being filed with the ICC…??? :thinking:

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There’s a new group formed on Facebook for people with covid 19 vaccine injuries…they are obviously not “anti-vaxxers” as they have all taken the various covid-19 vaccines and are really suffering as a result…they are just asking for help and to be heard…

I really hope this group doesn’t get deleted…their video is mostly of USA members asking to be heard but they are currently producing a video of the U.K. members covid vaccine injured…

Edited to add that I’m glad your friend recovered…I had a friend whose young son suffered Bell’s palsy from a childhood vaccine…(many years ago…) it took two years until the affected side of his face regained a semblance of function and was really distressing for both his mum and him…

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There’s a link to donate but no way to see what he actually wrote as far as I can see? Did you read his letter! What did it say?

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