It’s here…can you see this…???
(I apologise that my link earlier seemed to start with alternatives to vaccination when I was trying to link to Canine Health Concerns natural diet section for anyone interested …I’ll try and correct it…)
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I opened up the letter which is pages long.
This is a small extract which it says highlights the concerns he has and which was published on social media.
'My client’s social media output sets out two main propositions which are further
developed here:
- The vaccine programme has been rolled out in breach of the legal requirements
for clinicians to obtain the free and informed consent of those being vaccinated. - That the requirement to wear face coverings in an NHS setting is in breach of
common law obligations not to cause harm and breaches statutory obligations
in relation to provision of PPE.’
I find it totally amazing that here we have a doctor who is saying that the requirement to wear face coverings in an NHS etc. whereas the rest of the medical profession were crying out for PPE.
This is one doctor amongst tens of thousands who differs from the rest of his profession and Helen chooses to believe him.
Helen is adamant that she hasn’t got Covid, and poses no danger to us but none of us know until we get symptoms, or if we are asymptomatic, we are told to get a test and it turns out positive.
It’s a good job that ostriches can run fast.
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I glanced at it Helen. In all the evidence that you have been providing that there are valid voices against the vaccination, I have one question for you and those whom you admire.
If not the vaccination, then what to save lives?
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Helen seems more concerned with the lives of those who may, or may not, have suffered a reaction to the vaccination than the millions of lives saved by them.
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I find the whole debate around this very odd tbh. I’ve never seen anyone say that people won’t have a reaction to it, I thought that in fact was the whole point of the 15 minute waiting period after he jab, just in case people do have an early reaction, but it does seem like a manufactured issue that all these people are being “silenced” somehow. All vaccinations can have side effects, and perhaps (and as you hinted it is only perhaps) these people did have a reaction to it, but at this stage without wishing to sound callous surely it’s a case of ‘that’s unfortunate, I feel sorry for you, but it had to be someone’ and a bit of a shoulder shrug as, as you say contrasted with the millions who have taken it, have suffered no real effects to date, and are hopefully better protected against covid, it seems like a no brainier. It seems like the modern disease (lol) that anyone who doesn’t feel like they’re being made the most important person in the room these days immediately claims they’re being silenced (or cancelled) when the reality may just be that they’ve found their natural place in the order of things and unfortunately that’s not as high as they themselves would have liked.
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In a way I think that’s a more benign rationale for what’s going on. Maybe many of the people campaigning against vaccination or for informed consent see themselves as heroic crusaders for a worthy cause. Not only that but by posting and sharing unreliable sources they also won’t accept rational evidence to the contrary.
At the crux of it, the need to attribute meaning to events/ to life can lead people to believe the most incredible things. The idea that a mass vaccination drive is a conspiracy by powerful forces to subjugate and rule the world appears to be what motivates many of the anti-vaxxers and movements like Q-anon. @Helen6 you say you like open-minded discussion so I hope it is okay to bring this up. Also I don’t mean to single you out as lots of other people (maybe not in this forum) are also wary of the vaccine, but to use an example, you say you are not political, but one source you directed me to, described Joe Biden as a pedophile and Hilary Clinton as a child trafficker. How is that not political? You say the person in question is against Q -anon but Q-anon is founded upon the premise that Donald Trump was put upon earth to save us from a cabal of pedophiles.
I think a desire to feel like one has power and agency in the current climate is what motivates the need to find victims and to rescue people from this sinister situation. I feel the reality is that we are in quite a sh** situation that is probably entirely of our own making and most people by their lifestyles and actions contribute to it.
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I think the sentiment above is important as well. Do you agree that if the start of an article contains untruths then it is perfectly reasonable to not read the rest of the article? Especially if the moderator is making their way through mountains of similar content?
And here’s the deal, maybe for children informed consent is important but by linking to unreliable sources and in some cases known conspiracy theorists, your concerns start to lack validity. There is the old expression “you are judged by the company you keep”.
The arguments need to be rock solid or they will be brushed aside.
Even in this post-truth era, facts still matter. Or at least I’d like to think so 
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I would go even further and say do we want to keep company with this person?
We have listened yet again and again to her protestations that she is right, when we all know what the consequences would be for the whole world if she and her ilk had their way.
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I wasn’t going to contribute to this discussion any more as I’ve had my say and it’s often best not to engage too much with these things, but I felt like I ought to reply and say that, although I share your frustration, I disagree.
We must recognise that people taken in by conspiracy theories are victims, ostracising them is not the answer and can often fuel their sense of victimhood / that they are being ignored for their concerns, which will certainly not help them in any way. To lump them all together as an ‘ilk’ ignores the fact what they are saying is borne out of genuine concerns, albeit that these concerns are borne out of the rubbish they’ve read. You won’t change anybody’s mind this way.
If the moderators feel that, for the safety of everyone using the forum, they need to remove some of the links to dodgy conspiracy sites, then I agree. And if others decided not to engage with an individual on these particular matters because it will always just lead to dead end then I support that too. But cutting a victim of conspiracies off is wrong.
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There are no moderators in SF. If you feel a post is inappropriate then you can flag it and it can get looked at by the site owners. @cat @james
Helen has made her views quite clear and she is rightly allowed her opinions, no matter how much you/me/anyone disagrees with them
I’d like to know the “we” are
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I cannot put it more eloquently than @tomcol has. Also I like Helen and whilst I won’t agree with her on Covid and vaccination matters that doesn’t mean I wish to cut off communication with her. I enjoy our chats about other matters.
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The Hill: Anti-vaxxers gain power on right, triggering new fears.
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Early treatment Sue…early treatment…
Thousands upon thousands were left to die…
Any doctor suggesting repurposed drugs and treatment protocols were mercilessly silenced…
85% of the people left to die globally could have been saved through early treatment…
I think it’s unforgivable
Here’s Dr Peter McCullough…the good news from this is that now…at least in the states…people who get a positive PCR are given a leaflet and helpline numbers about where to go and who to contact…
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Define early treatment please
Dr Peter McCullough talks about early treatment protocols in his testimony John…it’s not any one thing…
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Here’s the latest amendment to the Johnson and Johnson.EUA fact sheet that wiill eventually be added to the currently blank insert…
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Helen,
Here is a list of clinical trials around Covid:
Over 4500 of them covering just about everything from Sylmarin (an extract of milk thistle) , to antiviral drugs (established and novel), statins, anti-inflamatory drugs used for arthritis, turmeric, saffron, vaccinations, mindfulness and a host of other aspects of treating or managing Covid and its sequelae.
I haven’t looked at every trial protocol to rigorously assess its merit but this is not “mercilessly silencing” doctors who think that repurposing drugs might be useful - it is the scientific and medical community giving them chance to prove whether older drugs have a place in the management of prevention, acute illness, or convalescence.
Amongst other drugs research has shown dexamethasone to be extremely useful - a drug first synthesised in 1958.
So, tell me again how the medical profession is gagging anyone who thinks repurposed drugs might be useful against Covid?
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Yes I watched this, a great pity it wasn’t televised on the mainstream channels. That poor child Maddie’s life is now ruined. By the way Helen I totally support your opinions on the vaccine. These vaccines are being tested on human guinea pigs who willingly agree to have all those toxins put into their bodies and side effects do not always happen straightaway, maybe one, two or three years later who knows! You can all say what you like back to me, but I shall not respond, I believe what I believe just as you do. Thanks again Helen.
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