This is bugging me so much I am posting about it. I received a message this afternoon from someone local who was a nurse asking if I wanted to go to an “anti pass saintaire” demonstration tomorrow.
I said I didn’t want to and asked how without being vaccinated we would manage to ever escape from the current situation.
Her reply was that what they are injecting precisely isn’t a vaccine and won’t be approved until 2022.
In her words no one has the right to force people to be vaccinated. And as a nurse she understands more than most what is in the vaccine. It won’t protect us from the variants and will just allow new ones to be created. @anon88169868 do you have a good response to this?
I know this person spends quite a bit of time on Facebook. I just find it incredible that she has suffered quite badly from long Covid and has only wanted to meet up outside but is now going to a demonstration that is quite possibly a good super spreader event.
We have amicably agreed to disagree but this really doesn’t bode well as she is far from alone.
It’d agree with the first sentence, I don’t have any evidence on the 2nd but I actually wonder if it is true.
By the time we get to “it won’t protect us against variants”, that is definitely not the case. Pfizer still offers around 65% protection even against the Delta variant - and the mRNA vaccines can trivially be altered to match any new variant that pops up, in principle even more easily than the 'flu vaccines can be tweaked each year to match the prevalent strains.
Finally we arrive at “will just allow new ones to be created” - which is half true, maybe.
It is true that releasing all restrictions in a partially vaccinated population (as the UK is doing) is a recipe for disaster and the selection of variants which resist existing vaccines but I’m not clear that is “due to the vaccine” rather than due to an insane public health non-policy.
Choosing the spike protein as the antigenic target was actually pretty clever - the virus uses that to enter cells by binding to an existing receptor on the cell - it can’t mutate the spike protein too much or it won’t be able to invade the host cells.
Happy that I’ve just had my 2nd dose . I feel I’ve done all I can do to protect myself, my family and friends and the community. Annoyed that my paper they gave me wasn’t colour though . I shall be sticking that in my wallet. Don’t fancy some app having my info to be honest!
Just hoping not to be knackered for nearly a week (1.5 hour sleeps every day to get to the end!) like the first one. No pain and last time was really sore so feeling hopeful!
I had my second dose last Saturday. It was a relief to get it done. Didn’t have the slightest issue with the first jab, but the second gave me 48 hours of really bad flu like symptoms, delayed till 48 hours after the jab. Only just now getting back to normal. It’s a small price to pay for the protection it will afford.
No siblings as I am an only child, I read anything and everything voraciously, I was sent away to school at 4 so I had plenty of time on my own to read. Also small children find death interesting rather than frightening, I had a splendid collection of skulls.
I was pleased to get my vaccine attestations… but feel even more comforted now that I have printed out my “pass”… despite the fact that I’m not intending to rush out anywhere… not just yet. (Of course this is a stock photo, not mine.)
Pretty damning and incontrovertible evidence of the benefits of vaccination coming from the US:
[99.2 Percent of All U.S. Covid Deaths Are Unvaccinated, New Analysis Shows
According to the analysis of government data from May, released on Thursday, out of the 18,000 Covid-19 deaths during the month, approximately 150 were fully vaccinated people. That comes out to 0.8 percent, or an average of five deaths per day out of more than 200 average daily deaths. At the height of the pandemic in January of this year, average daily deaths were above 3,400 per day. Additionally, fully vaccinated people accounted for fewer than 1,200 of more than 853,000 hospitalized with the virus (0.1 percent).](99.2 Percent of All U.S. Covid Deaths Are Among Unvaccinated People - Rolling Stone)
At 20’55, interesting data from the professor in charge of the ICU at the La Timone hospital in Marseille: out of 317 patients they’ve treated in the unit recently, only 1 was vaccinated.
The big one last month in the US was that the vaccine contains a “magnetic fluid”, so if you press a key for instance on your skin, the key will stick, yep… Except that it didn’t work for this one…:
I think the USA is the only country claiming it’s 99% the unvaccinated…
Other nations are more circumspect…
Israel has more cases amongst the vaccinated and is currently debating whether it’s due to vaccine failure…
And Gibraltar has more cases amongst the vaccinated…
I do wish that in an experimental technology never before used in humans that the data collection was rigorous and robust across the board otherwise the figures and statistics are all without context…
Assholes, still a good advert for getting jabbed.
