The thing is Helen, is we aren’t going round in circles because you sidestep and never really answer questions asked, you tend to answer questions with questions or quotes or look at this or that.
Ok I’ll try and answer this in full without sidestepping…(didn’t realise I was sidestepping)
No I don’t believe that anyone has died out of spite…what a strange thing to say…
I do feel that many were saved by early treatment protocols by doctors with boots on the ground…,
I do believe that withdrawal of that treatment led to many avoidable deaths…,
I do believe that lockdowns have caused more death in the way of the elderly moved out of hospital into care homes to free up hospital space and cancelled operations…people reluctant to seek medical advice and suicide etc…(there’s no escaping the mental anguish caused to families)
I do believe that had we not locked down and just protected the elderly and vulnerable who were obviously most at risk and enabled the healthy to continue life as normal then this would have been over a long time ago…
If we can’t close this thread can we rename it?
Any suggestions?
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VaccineMcvaccineface
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That in a nutshell shows how little you know and understand about the virus, being healthy does not offer 100% protection from death or serious illness.
Especially when this appears to not be a naturally occuring virus so the body has no knowledge of it and hence in most people it evades the immune response.
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Thankfully people with that view are not in charge, millions more would be dead or suffering and many of us posting on the forum would not be here to do so.
Scary with all the information available that is what Helen thinks but it’s her choice and life, I can quite happily mute the topic knowing the basis of how she thinks and the quality of the site’s she posts info from.
It’s a novel virus hence lack of natural immunity - but the first claim remains very tenuous whatever the rumours.
When US congress question the same doctor over and over about their funded work in Wuhan, I would say its more than a rumour.
When Professors of virology state huge odds of things occurring naturally to make the virus it backs up the idea its man made
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Unfortunately that is a totally unrealistic view of the lives of most people, who are far from healthy and thus highly vulnerable to this virus.
I’ve said it before but will repeat it yet again: the majority of people will have one or more of the following unhealthy / inflammatory conditions:
Excess weight
Constipation/diarrhoea/IBS
Allergies
Asthma
Rheumatism
Arthritis
High blood pressure
Type 2 diabetes / pre-diabetic
Stress / anxiety
We have lost all sense of what health and wellness is. For most people it is merely “not being sick” ie not have one of the major illnesses such as cancer or heart disease.
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I think we have to change the name to “Crackpot vaccine theories” and then stay away from it, just like you would stay away from an unvaccinated friend.
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The US congress is hardly an unbiased forum - there is immense political capital involved in blaming China following Trump’s repeated “China virus” claims and general US antipathy towards China.
Not that there aren’t questions, but non-experts without close contacts in the virus research labs are talking out of their rear-ends if they claim to “know” the virus is not natural.
Yes I agree, thats why I pay attention to the expert Professors who are concerned. Whilst the virus came out of Wuhan, this is funded research and seems the money came from the US by way of the NIH wether congress knew or not. This type of research is illegal in the US so they take it offshore.
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@Fleur I agree with the first part wholeheartedly but…
But don’t agree with conflating the two things, no matter how outlandish some theories are.
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Yes, but it still all speculation and “I can’t believe it’s not butter” reasoning.
I doubt we’ll ever pin down the truth on this one.
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If I know that people are unvaccinated, I would keep my distance, friend or not.
Why should I put myself at risk and, more to the point, and what seems to be increasingly happening in France, why should those who refuse to be vaccinated be allowed to put others at risk?
The number of categories that require vaccination are growing in France, for which I give a glad hooray.
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I should have phrased what I said better, but dashed off a response. I stick to social distancing whether people are vaccinated or not. But I don’t go out of my way to give unvaccinated people a wide berth if that makes sense. What I mean is I will stop and have a chat with people outside, which is low risk anyway.
I read recently that one is just as likely to pass on the Delta variant whether one is vaccinated or not. Having said that I appreciate that if one has underlying health issues it is entirely appropriate to take all possible precautions.
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I prefer Occam’s razor in this case.
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Which almost certainly favours natural origin.
It’s not as if crossover is unheard-of.
