It’s ok…in uk I was on various YTS schemes on leaving school and then worked for the civil service and then on the sickness benefit section…
After leaving paid employment I was always self employed…here I could maybe be described as a “kept woman” which is an alien concept to me but it is what it is…,
So yes I maybe have the luxury at the minute of breathing space and personal decisions to be made about my future but I have never not observed the guidelines except I don’t agree with mandatory vaccination…
So if you know do you honestly think it’s okay to segregate humanity on vaccination status…???
It’s been said that those who wish to retain bodily autonomy are amongst the most well educated…(I don’t count myself amongst them as I’m just a regular mum of 3)…we seem to be staring down the barrel of a gun when so many essential workers including nurses doctors midwives paramedics fire services army military police care home managers HGV drivers et al are prepared to quit rather than be subjected to this…
(Not that every single of one of us isn’t essential…)
Does no one ever look at the world from a higher perspective and see that for instance the devastated infrastructure in Lebanon is about to leave people with no water…???
I watched footage of people in France denied access to restaurants because of vaccination status boycotting said restaurants that asked for proof and holding an open air picnic…hundreds of them…
It’s also been well documented that people who join high control cults are also very smart and (assuming they don’t join the cult young and are then restricted from doing so) generally very well educated. Speak to an ex member and they will tell you that every day people say to them ‘I’d never be so stupid to join the Moonies/ the People’s Temple/ the family/ Scientology/ Nxivm (DOS) etc etc’ when the reality is these people are incredibly smart and often go on after they leave these high control destructive ideologies to have incredibly successful careers and lives because far from being stupid people, it’s the fact that they’re intelligent people that drew them to the dangerous ideologies in the first place.
I wouldn’t expect Antivaxxers to be stupid uneducated people (although some clearly are) as that’s not how these things work, they need smart people to buy into the cause. As with Q Anon; a lot of them really believed it was about saving mankind, saving children, saving societ, Scientology; about saving mankind, JWs; about saving mankind when doomsday comes, Moonies; saving of mankind. There’s always some terrible thing, be it the upcoming rapture meaning we’ll live a life of eternal hell, Illuminati members running the world, Body thetans, the evil ruler Xenu and psychiatrists, a cabal of Satanic cannibalistic pedophiles who operate a global child sex trafficking ring, 5G signals which are going to scramble our brains, vaccines which are going to kill us all as they’re dangerous, Chemtrails which are being put out to dissipate into the air and control us or kill us. There’s always something for smart people to latch on to so they can feel like they’re on the right side of some kind of battle against some evil doer, that when the truth comes out they will be shown to be on the right side of history. If they were stupid or uneducated they generally wouldn’t think like that, the stupid people in those groups are there as bodies, nothing more, it’s the smart educated ones the groups want as they’ll really buy in and when they’re in, they’re 100% in with all their heart.
This makes no sense to me whatsoever. What does being ‘a regular mum of 3’ have to do with being well- or not well-educated? The two aren’t antithetical.
There’s absolutely no logical connection, it is possible to be a well-educated parent of many or no children just as it is possible to be a poorly-educated parent of many or no children.
So they can get cholera as well as covid? This is just whataboutery, there is no logical connection.
So what. Good for them, picnics are nice, what is the point you are making?
I haven’t quoted your whole text but i know of most of them…none by personal experience except fending off JWS knocking on my door whilst trying to be polite and several times asking them in for a cuppa when I had a baby and a toddler and being told my book collection which at the time was mostly astrology and tarot and past lives and karma and reincarnation…was demonic and they didn’t even want to finish their cuppa…
The cults you speak of yes I agree could be categorised as cults…”anti-vaxxers” well you might guess I will find it difficult to make a connection between them and any cult as they were all generally pro vaccine until a child of theirs was vaccine injured…
But this is a basic misunderstanding of the word I suspect, as it’s one most people have. Say the word cult and most people will think of a religious cult when the reality is that anything can be a cult. Apple could be said to have have a cult following at its extremes, Tesla/ Musk certainly does, Mindfulness could be classified as a cult, Trumpism as we’ve seen was/ is definitely one. There is a sliding scale from those that are vaguely benign like people being overly obsessed and spending too much time, energy, thought and money on having to live breathe and sleep electronic products with a silhouette of a fruit on them, to a coercive control dangerous sex cult which branded its members with hot irons and raped and abused them, not all cults are alike. I am not an expert in this as I keep saying, but I’m pretty sure if you were to ask some of the people who are leading experts in this field they would say antivax was. It meets too many of the criteria to not be.
It’s also worth remembering that no one in a cult has ever thought they were in one, so I would never expect anyone to have those beliefs to say ‘yeah, this is a cult alright!’ It’s only when people are coming out that they start to realise what they were in. It will be very interesting to see what happens with the Q Anon people, I understand many are now very disaffected that none of it has come to pass, whether they will just drift away back to their normal lives or whether the attitudes and beliefs will stay with them and either be channeled into another ‘cause’, perhaps they’ll find another furniture company and claim they’re shipping trafficked children in wardrobes or something, or whether they’ll just fester away, which could be even more worrying as that’s often how extremism starts.
Et alors?? Would you prefer them to be demonstrating in front of the restaurants instead?
I’m not suggesting you’re selling yourself short etc etc as a mum of 3 but I still don’t see what having 3 children has to do with education or the lack of it.
You made the comment about Lebanon in a discussion about covid vaccination, so I’m wondering what the link is, water-borne disease is what I came up with. Or…?
I’m sorry to be snippy but I’m finding this sort of nebulous all about the feelz impressionistic non-discussion particularly irritating just now so basta cosí.
I remember upthread saying I think there is no discussion possible when dealing with faith because the whole point of faith is that like astrology tarot past lives religion etc it is profoundly and essentially irrational, the goalposts keep shifting and there’s nothing concrete - no doubt it is a major character flaw chez moi but irrational belief isn’t my bag so I’ll leave you to it.
Thought I’d come back to post that I’m celebrating three months of being vaccinated and of having had no negative side effects (aside from the classic 2 days of arm ouchiness and minor fatigue at the beginning).
The vast majority of my family and friends have been vaccinated including:
many older relatives and one younger NHS worker who are coming up to 7 months since their first dose (fun fact: in the history of vaccine research the vast majority of negative side effects have shown up within 7 months)
one new mum (baby now four weeks old, both mother and him doing fine)
Perhaps everyone who’s been vaccinated / knows others who’ve been vaccinated could share their positive experiences too?
All five of us aged between 19 and 50 have also had zero side effects.
Ditto my 80 year old parents.
Ditto the entire rest of my extended family.
Ditto several hundred students and work colleagues.
