The refugee "problem"

Frankly she’d unplug her own mother’s life support to charge her mobile phone.

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David, you are grandstanding! none of the 27 members of the EU or the UK have the power to control their borders, Police them yes but control no, who comes is dictated by numerous EU Treaties, including the Dublin Treaty which lays out how minors are treated, which until the 31st of December 2020, the UK is obliged to comply with.

Why do you think the elitists in the EU are a constant war with the Visegrád Group
who refuse non Christian refugees and their influence is extending in the ex communist countries of the EU ???

Why is this government (and by that I particularly mean Patel here and May before her) so utterly, contemptibly, shit?

The best, most humane and probably cheapest way to deal with all of this would be to process UK asylum claims in Calais.

But, no, we have to go out of our way to make these people’s lives even worse than they already are.

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easier just to euthanise them by holing/capsizing their boats whilst mid channel surely… preferably on the French/Belgium side :wink: :roll_eyes:

Putting nets in the world’s most trafficked shipping corridor sounds like great idea what idiots come up with this plan’s

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Presumably one who has no experience of sailing.

I know you are being ironic but just no…

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If PP thought she could get away with it…

And any big ships are cut it up in some minutes

Of course… it’s a stupid idea, just about anyone can see that except our government.

Frankly, if you summed the IQ of the entire cabinet it probably wouldn’t be above PP’s shoe size.

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No the rules are Paul you seek asylum in the first European country, the refugee does not choose the country.
Treaties Rome/ Amsterdam/ Dublin etc.

Wrong, though I agree that the Dublin rules try to address this by allowing one EU country to send the refugee to another for processing - but they do not, in fact require the refugee to claim asylum in any particular country.

And, of course, we ceased to be an EU country at the end of Jan and that will apply fully at the end of December so we cannot make use of the Dublin provisions after the end of the year.

And, finally, there was a landmark judgement in the UK courts in the early 2000’s which recognised that France was not necessarily a “safe country” given treatment of refugees.

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Paul, until the end of the year UK PLC is in the transition period and is bound by the EEC and its later bodies rules and treaties, , what the UK PLC decides after the 1st January 2021.
It is completely irrelevant what decision the UK courts made in 2000’s, because they were subversive to the European Courts, whose laws were paramount.

I’m not sure what point you are trying to make, though there are a number of misunderstandings in your post.

First of all UK courts are not “subversive” - though I think you meant subservient - to EU courts, except in matters of EU law and even then it’s rather an indirect process.

Second - we are fully out of the EU next year but cannot then just say “right you lot, back to France” because France would fully within its rights to refuse to accept them - we cannot say “Oh but Dublin” either at that point (out means out as Brexiteers are going to discover).

Because there is precedent in the UK courts to block repatriation to France, that point can be fought in the UK courts without reference to Europe.

Finally you might remember that the European Court of Human Rights is NOT an EU institution so leaving the EU has little bearing on whether its judgements have application in the UK though I note Johnson is trying to get us out of Human Rights - which of yours would you like to give up for him?

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Absolutely right Paul - or to put it more graphically…

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Subversive?

Possible slip of the pen for subordinate?

I think Paul’s suggestion - subservient - is more likely.

Subservient is attitude, subordinate is lower-ranking, surely?