Well put Mandy - I was just typing something along similar lines but you beat me to it.
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Go on, please, tell us what you expect the EU to do. They set out to allow Britain to leave with as little disruption as possible but Mrs May is making impossible demands. Your shallow view on the situation solves nothing.
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It’s not just my opinion, it’s a fact. Remember facts?
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Again I do not feel it was so black and white Jane. I know people that were ready to vote leave long before we were offered the opportunity to vote. What I am against is being bashed for daring to feel and say that there are arguments for both sides and no one side is completely blameless. That’s all I am trying to say but I feel I have somehow declared war! I just don’t like this bullying of anyone who dares to think differently.
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As Mandy says you are not being bullied, you are joining a debate and other people are disagreeing with you.
To say “I must be allowed to have my own view” is fine but what you are saying here is “I must be allowed to state my own view and you are not allowed to disagree or it is bullying” - this is an attempt to stifle that other point of view and by a somewhat underhanded technique - not especially democratic.
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At least you are consistent.
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Sorry, I started this conversation. Sorry, I dared to think differently. I realise it’s a crime these days. Sorry I wasted so much time just trying to explain myself. Good luck to you all - I’m checking out of this asylum.
Sorry Elaine but dummy spitting because people don’t agree with you will not do anything to further your cause. Neither does accusing people of bullying when they dare to hold a different opinion
And has for describing this forum as an asylum , Dog help you if you venture into other places out there
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At least it’s quite an upmarket and fairly exclusive asylum.
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Lose any more members Cat and it certainly will be exclusive.
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Well I for one totally endorse Catherine’s quip. I feel privileged to be amongst such high brow company. It is refreshing to be able to have mature, intelligent conversation amongst people who for the most part ‘get it’ even if opinions differ…
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According to the “about” page there are 12,100 users with 22 new in the last 7 and 97 new in the last 30 days.
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If that’s true Paul then the number of active members to members ratio is pants.
That is true of most internet forums (fora?) - the stats say 324 active users in the last 7 days and 615 over the last 30.
To be fair it’s the same on most( if not all )forums
Hardly dummy spitting! Just a refusal to waste any more time going around in circles trying to explain the fact that I believe that you cannot blame one single party for the mess. If that’s seen as dummy spitting then I really am best out of here!
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Yes, I am consistent because they are my beliefs. They clearly clash with yours so lets stop wasting time arguing. You will never change my opinion and I will never change yours and that was never my intention. So let’s end it here.
But you were saying the same things two years ago, in your opinion the EU had to give way then and they have to give way now. You haven’t once explained why you think that is necessary or suggested a way that they could do so without harming themselves. Just in case you’ve forgotten, it’s Britain that’s decided to leave, it’s Britain that needs to get on with it, the EU has more important considerations and the future to look forward to.
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Not blaming one party is fine - the EU has certainly played a part from its blindness over the problems that FoM can cause to its pressure on the UK to invoke Article 50 immediately after the referendum - at that point we should have said “will do, when we are good and ready” and got our ducks in a row first.
But May has made tactical blunder after tactical blunder (too hard too early with her “red lines” - limiting her options now, humiliation in the needless general election, sticking too stubbornly to the Chequers agreement when it was obvious that the EU were not going to agree to it).
But, to make your case it helps to make specific points rather than general statements. How, for instance, might or should the EU offer us more flexibility?
The EU confers certain advantages, but to get them you need to stick to some rules, the UK doesn’t like the rules and wants to leave. Fine, off it goes.